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What documents do you need to send to India?

Confused? Get legal advice!


Many clients call us for advice about what legal documents they should be sending to India, how to write their legal documents for India or whether their legal documents should also be stamped by the Indian Consulate/VFS. Each time we tell them that they need to ask their lawyer in India - and if you are also looking for answers to these same legal questions, then you should also ask your lawyer in India.

As a public notary, we can assist you with the legal process in Australia only. There is a process in Australia (following international conventions) that involves documents originating from Australia or signed in Australia to be first notarised and then authenticated/legalised, or stamped with an apostille. The challenge when dealing with the legal process relating to Indian documents signed in Australia but used in India is that there does not seem to be a single accepted approach adopted by lawyers in India or even by the Consulate/VFS despite the international conventions.

For example, widely recognised and accepted international conventions allow for documents that have been stamped with an apostille to be accepted in their intended destination country if that country is a member state of the Apostille Convention without further stamping, verification or legalisation. Accordingly, this should mean that documents that have been stamped with an apostille in Australia should be accepted in India without issue, however this often does not seem to be the case. Many lawyers in India have advised clients that they must also have their documents stamped by the Consulate/VFS and VFS have stated that those documents would have to be stamped with an apostille before they would accept them - despite the Apostille Convention.

Ultimately, your end goal is to satisfy whoever it is in India that the documents you are sending to them are valid. This means that despite whatever regulation or process may exist with VFS, the Consulate or international protocols, the intended recipient's opinion is the most important.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by . Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

VFS has rejected your notarised document?

Recently, some of our clients have encountered problems when submitting their notarised documents to VFS.

Unfortunately, you'll need to make your own enquiries with VFS as to what their requirements are when processing your documents regardless of whether those documents are notarised or not, and (as experience and history and taught us) be aware that their requirements can change without warning. Another challenge that you'll face is that documents prepared for you in India (even if they're prepared by your lawyer) and are formatted in a certain way could be rejected by VFS for no other reason than "not enough room" - which is the latest issue that our clients have faced.

This is the unfortunate reality of dealing with VFS. Our clients have had their documents rejected by VFS because after all the signing, witnessing and stamping has been done there is limited space at the end of the document for VFS to attach their stamp or seal. But is this reasonable? Should VFS reject the document simply because there is limited room on the page?

While we, and every other notary, official or consular office face exactly the same challenge on a daily basis, we do not simply reject documents or refuse to help our clients because there is "not enough room" at the bottom of the page. Instead, we address the issue by either 'squeezing' our stamps, seal and signature into the available space at the bottom or in the margins or we attach a separate certificate to the document.

If you've had to have your documents notarised or stamped with an apostille by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, you'll know that a notary certificate can be attached to the document or if you bind your documents then the apostille will be attached to the notary certificate or as a separate bound certificate. Maybe you'll be charged an additional fee for the binding or separate document, but at least your document won't be rejected.

Despite our clients' protests and complaints, VFS has refused to process their documents forcing them to 're-do' (ie, sign, notarise and stamp with an apostille) their documents and incur additional costs! We think it's a questionable attitude and approach especially when VFS (on behalf of the Consulate General of India) is primarily responsible for providing service to and assisting Indian nationals in Australia, but in reality it seems to make 'things more difficult' whether it's due to the bureaucratic model or by choice or design. We're also unsure whether this is an official requirement or a new requirement as it's never been raised previously, or whether it's going to be an ongoing issue. Perhaps it could be just the official who happened to process the documents.

Fortunately, not every document needs to be countersigned by VFS or the Consulate, which means if it can be avoided - then probably you should. However, if it's required, then even before considering what you need to be doing, you should ask whoever you're sending the document to whether VFS or Consulate stamps are required. Unfortunately, if you need to have your document stamped by VFS/Consulate, we're unable to control or determine what they will or won't do. This means we're also unable to guarantee whether your documents will be accepted or not - and that's the reason for this article. When it comes to our notary public services in this regard, our fees for services apply regardless and so you should make your enquiries with VFS before booking an appointment with our office.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by . Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Do I always need to have my document stamped by the Indian Consulate or VFS?

Legalisation with the Indian Consulate or VFS - is it required?

Documents that are created or signed in Australia but sent to India generally need to be notarised. This is a widely accepted and recognised process. Whether those documents then need to be counter-signed by the Indian Consulate or VFS is not so clear. This article discusses some issues that you may need to consider before sending your documents to India.

What documents need to be notarised?

Generally, documents that are signed in Australia but sent to India need to be notarised involving the notary public witnessing your signature. Also if you are sending copies of original documents, those copies may need to be certified as being true copies of the original documents.

Common documents that we are asked to witness and notarise include:
  • the general power of attorney or special power of attorney
  • affidavits and declarations used in legal proceedings (such as divorces under the Hindu Marriage Act or court cases regarding estates and property)
  • education sponsorship letters and undertakings
  • immigration sponsorships and letters of invitation
  • contract or other agreements used for personal and business purposes.

Common documents that we are asked to certify and notarise include:
  • education documents (ie, degrees, qualifications and transcripts)
  • employment confirmation and payslips
  • birth certificates, marriage certificates and death certificates
  • forms of identification including passports, drivers licence or utility and rates notices.

Why notarise documents for India?

The notarial acts of a notary public are widely accepted around the world. Unlike a justice of the peace, whose appointment is generally only recognised in Australia, a notary public will be accepted in other countries - including India.

Accordingly, if you are in Australia but you are intending to do something in India, then it is likely that you would need the services of a notary public to assist you with witnessing your signature or certify your documents in a way that it will be accepted in India. Sometimes this may also require an authentication or apostille from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

If you do not follow this process, your documents may not be accepted in India.

What is the role of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade?


According to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) website:
The department’s role is to advance Australia’s national interest. This involves working to strengthen Australia’s security and enhance Australia’s prosperity. The department provides foreign, trade and development policy advice to the government. We work with other government agencies to ensure that Australia’s pursuit of its global, regional and bilateral interests is coordinated effectively.

With respect to notary public services, DFAT will confirm on behalf of the Australian Government whether a document has been notarised by a person who is a notary public according to their records. This endorsement by the Australian Government is what gives an Australian notary public 'formal' recognition by foreign governments in other countries. DFAT provides this endorsement in 2 ways - authentication or an apostille.

What is authentication or an apostille?

At its most formal level, in order for Australian documents (ie, government document) or documents that have been notarised by a notary public in Australia to be recognised in other countries, you must either have your document authenticated or stamped with an apostille.

Authentication involves DFAT confirming that the document is either an original Australian Government document or that it has been notarised by a notary public in Australia (this also requires the notary public who has notarised your document to be registered with DFAT). Once the document has been authenticated by DFAT you can take it to the foreign consulate or embassy of the intended destination country for legalisation, which involves that foreign office confirming that the document has been authenticated by DFAT on behalf of the Australian Government. With authentication and legalisation, once your document arrives in the intended destination country and has been stamped by their own government (ie, legalisation) it is basically as though that document had been signed in that country or will be legally recognised by that country.

An apostille stamp simplifies the authentication and legalisation process for certain countries that are signatories to an international convention known as Hague Convention Abolishing the Requirement of Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents. Under this convention, also known as the Apostille Convention, member countries will recognise the apostille stamp from other member countries without needing to go through the authentication and legalisation process. In Australia, DFAT will issue the apostille on original Australian Government documents or documents that have been notarised by a notary public in Australia - in the same way that they do with documents that need to be authenticated, except with an apostille, those documents do not need to be legalised by the foreign office of the intended destination country if that intended destination country is a member of (ie, signatory to) the Apostille Convention.

Is India a signatory to the Apostille Convention?

Yes, India is a signatory to the Apostille Convention. It became a member in 2004 and documents stamped with an apostille came into full legal effect in 2005. Technically, this means that if you need to send a document that you sign in Australia, like a general power of attorney, to India it must first be witnessed by a notary public and notarised, and then stamped with an apostille by DFAT - all of these services are available through our office if you need assistance.

In practice? Well, it seems the process is a little different from the technical normality followed by other member countries of the Apostille Convention. In those countries, once your document has been stamped with an apostille you can send it to those countries and it would be accepted without a problem. On the other hand, with India it seems from our experience that many people who request documents to be sent to them from Australia still want to have the documents countersigned by the Indian Consulate, which is performed through the outsource agent, VFS, and VFS still require those documents to be stamped with an apostille.

So even though the purpose of the apostille, and the reason why countries like India become members of the Apostille Convention, is to avoid the relative complexities of authentication and legalisation in favour of a more simple process, the demand in India for documents to be stamped by the local foreign office (ie, the Indian Consulate) means there really is no benefit - especially for you, the person who needs to manage the process for whatever document you are sending to India. The processing office's requirement (ie, VFS requirement) for documents to be stamped with an apostille really is no different to the authentication and legalisation process except that obtaining an apostille stamp from DFAT is more expensive than the authentication. So in fact, not only is there no benefit, but now it is more expensive. For those of you familiar with the bureaucracy and red tape especially through the government and legal system in India, then this will be of no surprise to you.

What should I do now?

Still not clear? We appreciate that this process can be both confusing and overwhelming regardless of whether you have done it before or you are going through it for the first time. You will probably also find that people working in this area (ie, lawyers, VFS officers, Consulate officials and even public notaries) may not know what is required - and that presents itself as a real problem. Unfortunately, uncertainty and inconsistency can mean unnecessary delays and additional cost.

Our experience is that as long as your document will be accepted for its intended purposes then that's the 'right' process. To this end, you will need to see direction from whoever has asked you to have your document notarised and they should be able to provide you with advice as to what 'they require' and at the end of the day, the majority of our clients simply require some read stamps and a red seal to satisfy their recipient.

Whatever the case may be, the first step in your journey will generally be having your document notarised and that is our service to you.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by . Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Verifying your Indian Drivers Licence in Australia

WARNING: from January 2015, VFS has changed its requirements and will no longer accept documents that have been authenticated. Documents must now be stamped with an APOSTILLE from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

Drivers licence from India

Converting your Indian Drivers Licence in Australia

Many clients have asked us how we're able to provide our low cost fixed fee notary public services to assist our Indian clients with converting their Indian Drivers Licence in Australia. The simple answer is that we're doing a lot of them, which means we know what to expect and how to deal with it in the most efficient way.



If there are inconsistencies between your name as it appears on your passport and your Indian Drivers Licence you may have difficulties in converting your Indian Drivers Licence in Australia. The solution to is fairly simple, and one option is to obtain verification from a notary public confirming that you are the one and the same person and have that verification authenticated by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. We've already provided details of this process in a previous article:

http://india-notary.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/verifying-your-india-drivers-licence-if.html

We encourage you to check it out if you want to know more about that or the notary public services that we offer in relation to converting your Indian Drivers Licence in Australia.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by . Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

India Drivers Licence Verification

WARNING: from January 2015, VFS has changed its requirements and will no longer accept documents that have been authenticated. Documents must now be stamped with an APOSTILLE from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

India Drivers Licence

Verifying your identity to apply for the India Drivers Licence

If the name on your India Drivers Licence is different from your current valid passport, you need to the steps clearly contained in the checklist found at http://www.vfs-in-au.net/pdf/IDLVChecklist.pdf.

There are a number of options available to you, however only 'Option 2' would appear to be the practical option if you reside in Australia.

Under 'Option 2', you must provide the High Commission of India with a notarial certificate to confirm that you are the one and the same person who holds both the India Drivers Licence and the passport.

For us, this is a common request. Our notary public services provides notarial certificates to meet the requirements of the India Drivers Licence Verification Checklist, including arranging for authentication by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT).



When you make an appointment to attend our office, you must bring your original drivers licence and passport. We prepare a bound certificate certifying that you are the one and the same person, and certifying the copies of your drivers licence and your passport. Our certificate will be authenticated by the DFAT to meet the requirements of the High Commission of India for the India Drivers Licence Verification.

We regularly notarise documents intended for India. Allowing us to manage and look after the formal requirements of notarisation and authentication means you avoid the uncertainty and hassle of a process that may not be familiar to you.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by . Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Notary Public for General Power of Attorney for India

Notary Public for General Power of Attorney for India

One of our most common requests for notary services is to notarise the General Power of Attorney used in India. Generally, clients are buying or selling property in India, taking loans from Indian banks, or conducting legal proceedings in the courts in India. However, because they are not physically present in India, they need to appoint someone (an attorney) to act and do all things necessary on their behalf in India.



For those people who are in Sydney, Australia (especially around the Parramatta area and Sydney’s western suburbs), we provide notary public services to assist them with the General Power of Attorney intended to be used in India. A General Power of Attorney prepared for use in India but signed in a foreign country (such as Australia) must be notarised in order for it to be valid and accepted in India.

If the General Power of Attorney is prepared in India, it is generally printed on ‘bonded’ or ‘stamped’ paper bearing a mark indicating that some sort of duty or fee has been paid to the government. This type of official paper is not readily available in Australia. If you have been told that your General Power of Attorney must be on this kind of paper, then you will need to arrange for a hard copy of the General Power of Attorney to be prepared in India by your lawyer in India and physically sent to you in a hard copy format. If you lawyer in India emails a copy of this document to you, you will not be able to print it on the official paper in Australia.

Many of our clients have the General Power of Attorney prepared for them by their lawyer in India and sent to them by email. In Australia, they then print it on normal A4 paper (which is commonly used in Australia) before bringing it to our notary public for notarisation. Our experience with the formal requirements of the General Power of Attorney for India varies. For example:
  • Some the General Power of Attorney must include a photograph of the ‘executant’ or ‘donor’, sometimes they also need to provide a photograph of their attorney.
  • Sometimes the photograph of the executant or donor must be signed by them (across the photograph) and then notarised, and other times the notary public just needs to place a seal over the photograph.
  • Sometimes the General Power of Attorney must be witnessed by 2 people and the notary public (and the notary public must witness your witnesses).
  • Sometimes the General Power of Attorney must be witnessed by the notary public alone.
  • Sometimes the General Power of Attorney must be lodged with the Indian Consulate, and sometimes it needs to be processed by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade first with either authentication or apostille.
  • We have had clients include their thumbprint, and we have also had a client who had to place a print of ALL fingers and thumbs!

We also encourage our clients to check with their lawyer in India whether their General Power of Attorney must be authenticated and legalised with the Indian Consulate. We understand that this requirement may vary depending on what the General Power of Attorney is intended to do, and whether it is used for a personal or commercial purpose. For more information, we encourage you to contact the Indian Consulate in your state after obtaining advice from your lawyer in India.

Our notary public has extensive experience in assisting Indians, non resident Indians, person of Indian origin, or anyone with property dealings in India with the General Power of Attorney for India. See examples of the General Power of Attorney used by banks in India.

If you are looking for assistance with legal proceedings, including divorce proceedings under the Hindu Marriage Act, please see this previous post.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by . Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

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