Has the Indian Drivers Licence Verification changed?

As many of you may have found out, VFS has changed a few of their forms as of 31 August 2020 and these changes impose a greater obligation (and cost) on people attempting to do various things like apply for or renew passports and other consular services. Despite this, the Indian Drivers Licence Checklist (IDLV Checklist) is still the same as it has been since 30 April 2020.

If your name on your Indian Drivers Licence and your Indian Passport are different, in order to obtain the Indian Drivers Licence Verification you must satisfy the IDLV Checklist requirements under the following options:

Option 1:

Have a Public Notary in Australia confirms that both names [name on License and on the Passport] clearly stated in full on the affidavit belong to one and the same person.

  • This document must then be apostilled by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade Office [DFAT] in Australia.
  • Once the apostille stamp is completed, the India Driver License Verification Application form may be submitted at an Indian passport and visa services centre along with a copy of this apostilled document.
  • The License Verification Certificate will only be issued in the name as it appears on the License.

Option 2:

Have an affidavit made from the court in India, confirming that both names [Name on License and on the Passport] clearly stated in full on the affidavit belong to one and the same person.

  • Have this notarised in India.
  • Notarised affidavit can be signed ONLY by the applicant or father / mother of applicant. In case affidavit is signed by Father / Mother of applicant, a copy of passport / Pan Card of signatory needs to be provided.
  • The Original Affidavit must then be attested by the Consulate/ High Commission. This service is to be done first as a miscellaneous service at Indian Passport and Visa Services Centre. (http://www.vfsglobal.com/india/australia/attestation_of_documents.html)
  • Once the affidavit attestation is completed, the Indian Driver’s License verification application form may be submitted at an Indian Passport and Visa Services Centre along with a copy of this affidavit.
  • The License Verification Certificate will only be issued in the name as it appears on the License.

How are we doing things different now?

Despite the IDLV checklist being unchanged, it appears that VFS has taken a new approach to reviewing all documents and applications - including the applications for the Indian Driver Licence Verification. Accordingly, we have added an extra 'affidavit' to our existing notary certificate package with certified copies of the Indian Passport and Indian Driver Licence.

What can we do for you?

As a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney, we've assisted many people within the Indian community with converting their Indian Drivers Licence to a NSW Drivers Licence through the IDLV process. We do this by providing a notary certificate confirming that they are the one and the same person in both their licence and their passport despite the name difference. Our notary certificate satisfies OPTION 1 of the IDLV Checklist.

While OPTION 2 requires a 'notarised affidavit signed by the applicant', OPTION 1 requires 'confirmation by the public notary' and the notary certificate that we provide would not be signed by the applicant (ie, it's not a self-declaration or a self-certification by the applicant, rather than confirmation by us that the applicant is the one and the same person).

Our notary certificate can also be stamped with an apostille by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) which is also a requirement for OPTION 1 of the IDLV Checklist. A 'notarised affidavit', presumably done in India, in accordance with OPTION 2 cannot be stamped with an apostille by DFAT.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Applying for a new or replacement Indian Passport?

Have you checked the VFS website for the most up to date checklists? Be aware that the checklists and the requirements have changed.

As many of you may have found out, VFS has changed a few of their forms as of 31 August 2020 and these changes impose a greater obligation (and cost) on people attempting to do various things like apply for or renew passports and other consular services.

Unfortunately, some of our clients have 'found out the hard way' that VFS has changed its requirements after having their documents returned to them with instructions that they also need to have copies of other supporting documents notarised. In the past, they may have had their supporting documents certified or attested by a justice of the peace, but now with the recent changes all of those documents must be notarised by a notary public - especially if they are residents in New South Wales

If you are submitting your application to VFS without documents having been properly certified or attested by a notary public, your application will also be rejected.

On a side note, the other complication with the changes recently introduced by VFS is that they sometimes require documents (such as Indian birth certificates) which cannot be notarised in Australia. In Australia, a notary public can attest and notarised copies of Australian public documents (ie, original documents issued by Australian government departments). Attesting Australian documents for use overseas is probably one of the main functions of the notary public in Australia, but this function does not extend to attesting Indian public documents. Indian public documents, like the Indian birth certificate, cannot be attested by an Australian notary public. They can only be attested by an Indian notary public.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Have you experienced anything different with VFS recently?

Feedback wanted

As a leading provider of notary public services, we assist many people within the Indian community with notarising documents for use overseas - mainly India. Naturally, this work often involves and overlaps with VFS and so when our clients have issues with VFS, we know about it.

Recently, we've received a number of queries from clients about their dealings with VFS and some of it has been confusing and concerning. In particular, we've been told that:

  • Clients must have their Indian birth certificates or marriage certificates notarised in Australia. The public notary in Australia should not be notarising foreign public documents, like these personal certificates. Foreign public documents should be notarised in the country where those documents were issued - not Australia.
  • Clients must sign notary certificates issued by a public notary in Australia. The notary certificate is a document that is issued by the public notary and signed by the public notary. It isn't a document that would normally be signed by clients (ie, the certificate is given by the public notary, it's not a self-certification by the client).
  • Clients must have their utility bills and other statements notarised by a public notary in Australia. The challenge with many bills and statements in Australia is that they are mostly issued electronically. While it's still possible to notarise these documents, the process is more involved which translates into cost - and of course that's not what many of our clients are happy to hear.

What's happened?

According to the VFS website, a number of checklists for different processes and applications changed on 31 August 2020. This means some things are now being done differently at VFS, especially for clients who live in New South Wales. Documents that could be previously signed by a justice of the peace or a public notary now have to be signed by a public notary only. Unfortunately, this means the process is going to be more expensive for clients because while having documents signed by a justice of the peace is free, having the same documents signed by a public notary isn't free.

Of course we remain committed to assisting our clients with their public notary requirements for documents intended for India or for submission to VFS, but these recent changes at VFS are likely to create confusion as well as raise more problems and incur additional costs than before.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Attesting your passport for VFS

Have you noticed that the VFS checklists have been updated recently? If not, you'd better take a look and download the most recent checklists. The most significant change affects people living in New South Wales.

In the past, some supporting documents that had to be submitted to VFS could be attested by a justice of the peace. That requirement no longer exists in New South Wales. The checklists now clearly state "NSW residents kindly submit documents attested by a Notary Public only". So what does this mean?

Unfortunately, it means that submitting documents to VFS will become more expensive. Unlike the justice of the peace, which is a community service and free-of-charge, the notary public service is a paid service.

As a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney, we're committed to supporting the Indian community in Sydney even with the changes to the VFS requirements and continue to offer low cost fixed fee notary public services. Attesting your passport has never been quicker or easier as we generally are available on short notice to notarise and attest copies of your passport.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

How do I get a Power of Attorney for India?

The most common request that we receive is to notarise the power of attorney (both general power of attorney and special power of attorney) for India.

In this article, we attempt to answer some of the most commonly asked questions about the power of attorney for India.

What is a power of attorney?

A power of attorney is a legal document in which you authorise someone to act on your behalf. It's basically a legal letter of authority but prepared in a more formal manner. The person that you appoint is called your 'attorney' and when you authorise them to act on your behalf, generally this means you authorise them to make decisions and sign any documents for you. You may need to appoint an attorney in India if you cannot travel to India to do things yourself.

What is the power of attorney used for?

The power of attorney is generally to authorise someone to handle financial matters, property dealings, court cases or other legal matters on your behalf. For example, many of our clients use a power of attorney to:

  • authorise someone to deal with banks for home loans;
  • authorise someone to buy or sell property;
  • authorise someone to operate bank accounts;
  • authorise someone to buy or sell cars or motorbikes;
  • authorise someone to trade in shares;
  • authorise someone to access information or records

What kind of things can I authorise in my power of attorney?

It really depends on what you need to do. If you have some sort of personal, business or property dealing in India, then you'll need to have a power of attorney that properly and sufficiently authorises the person you appoint to be able to act on your behalf. If your power of attorney is not prepared properly or somehow limits what powers are granted, then the person you appoint may not be able to do what you want them to do. This would mean that everything else you've done in order to appoint them would be wasted. It's important to get it right to avoid unnecessary costs and delays.

Who prepares the power of attorney?

Different countries have different requirements or forms that must be followed in order for the authority to be valid or for the power of attorney to be accepted and so you need to check the requirements of the specific country (and sometimes the specific state).

Also, depending on where you intend to use the power of attorney, the recipient may also have different requirements. For example, a courthouse or a government office may have different expectations from a bank or private business, and if it's intended to be used to deal with your neighbour or an individual, they may have different requirements from private businesses or government departments and authorities.

If you're using the power of attorney in India, then the power of attorney should be prepared in India according to the law and the specific requirement of the power of attorney. Accordingly, we encourage our clients to consult their lawyer or whoever will be assisting them with whatever they need to do. Your lawyer in India can prepare the power of attorney on the form, in the format and with the contents that may be required for the power of attorney to be legally valid and accepted in India for whatever you're doing or intending to achieve.

Do you have any templates for the power of attorney?

Yes, there are some templates available - and some links from previous articles in this blog or on our website https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/. However, you should always be careful when using a template document. A template is really only a starting position and it may not necessarily be relevant to what you specifically need. Considering that the powers granted by the general power of attorney or the special power of attorney has a significant legal effect,  you should always read the power of attorney carefully to fully understand everything that you're doing by signing it (especially when you are having it witnessed by a notary public).

Do I need special paper, legal paper, bonded paper or stamped paper for my power of attorney?

For legal documents used in India, such as the power of attorney, it's common for them to be prepared on stamped paper. Stamped paper is proof of prepaid duty. Generally, you must pay duty for the power of attorney and so preparing the power of attorney on stamped paper is common in India. However, there is no such thing as stamped paper available in Australia (especially stamped paper that's recognised in India). 

In fact, some of our clients have attached Australian postage stamps to their documents, but this doesn't make sense as this kind of stamp is not related to stamp duty (or duty) and it's an Australian stamp, not an Indian stamp and in no way represents any evidence of proof of duty paid in India for Indian purposes. It sounds silly doesn't it, but that's what some clients have done because they didn't obtain the right advice from the right person. Most likely they just listened to something that they heard from someone or read from the internet and followed it blindly, both wasting time and money in doing the wrong (absurd) thing without making any attempt to find out what's the right thing to do.

For most clients, their lawyer prepares the power of attorney in an electronic document and that document is emailed to them to print on normal A4 paper (which is the standard paper available in Australia). Duty is then only paid once the signed and notarised power of attorney lands in India.

Bottom line - ask your lawyer in India. If your lawyer believes it's easier or more convenient to prepare the power of attorney on stamped paper in India and then send the original document to you to sign and have notarised, then that's what you should do. It actually makes things very easy but naturally takes longer and could be a little more expensive in terms of courier/postage charges compared to having an electronic document emailed to you.

What documents do I need to bring with me to have my power of attorney notarised?

Aside from bringing the actual power of attorney that you want to have notarised, you'll also need to bring your photo identification - we usually ask you to bring your passport as this would be the most universally accepted photo identification document regardless of where you are in the world. Some clients want to bring their PAN card, Aadhaar card or their OCI card, but as these documents are not generally recognised as identification documents in Australia, they must also bring their passport as their primary photo identification document. When we notarise your power of attorney, we'll also include a stamp to confirm that you've identified yourself by your passport.

How do we notarise your power of attorney?

Generally, the way that we notarise your power of attorney depends on what's required by your lawyer in India. If there are no specific instructions, then we'll notarise your power of attorney the same way that we normally notarise basic legal documents - that is, we'll countersign every page that you sign, and we'll also put a stamp and seal on the back page or the signing page. Unless specifically requested, we don't issue a separate notary certificate as our stamp clearly states that we've witnessed your signature and that you've proven your identity with your specific photo identification document.

Do I need an apostille?

Technically, yes. If you're signing a power of attorney in Australia but you're using it in India, then your power of attorney should be notarised and then stamped with an apostille. The apostille is a stamp issued by the Australian government in accordance with the international treaty known as the Apostille Convention. Countries that are signatories to the Apostille Convention will recognise the apostille stamp issued by other member countries. Both Australia and India are signatories to the Apostille Convention which means documents from Australia to be used in India should be stamped with an apostille to be legally valid.

In saying this, it's our practical experience that the majority of clients who have their documents notarised by us send those documents to India without any other stamps. While it may not be technically correct, because it should be stamped with an apostille after it's been notarised, if the document with notarisation only is accepted in India then it's already achieved its purpose without the added cost or delay of the apostille process.

If you're not sure whether your power of attorney will be accepted in India without an apostille, you should contact your lawyer in India for guidance. Sometimes you may benefit from just asking what the requirements are instead of directing your lawyer to formality arising from the Apostille Convention.

Do I need a signature from the Indian High Commission?

Technically, no. Since Australia and India are both signatories to the Apostille Convention, only the apostille is required and no further involvement by the High Commission or Consulate is required. However, in saying that sometimes your lawyer or whoever you're dealing with in India may specifically request that your document is attested by the High Commission or Consulate (either as a peace of mind or because they're not familiar with international treaties or formalities arising from the Apostille Convention). If that's the case, there's no 'harm' in submitting your documents to VFS (who act on behalf of the High Commission/Consulate) for attestation however VFS will also ask you to sign/acknowledge their disclaimer that they've also advised you that due to the Apostille Convention, attestation by the High Commission/Consulate is not required in order for your power of attorney to be legally valid in India.

Do I need to have witnesses?

As a notary public service, we will notarise your power of attorney after we witness you sign it. However, in many cases, especially if you are using a template from India, there may seem to be a specific requirement for you to also sign in front of other witnesses (often shown as two witnesses). If you were signing the power of attorney in India, then you may need to have two witnesses but you may need to check whether that requirement still exists for signing the power of attorney in Australia. For the majority of our clients, we act as the only witness/notary to the signing of the power of attorney. Sometimes if a client wants to have other witnesses present, then they will need to make arrangements for those witnesses to either sign before or after the notarisation. We can also witness their signature as well as their witnesses' signatures, however, this would mean that they would have to bring their witnesses with them (and this also changes the cost of the notary service). When in doubt, always refer back to your lawyer in India for guidance.

Does my attorney need to be present?

No, generally if you're appointing someone to act on your behalf (ie, your attorney) in India, it's because they're in India - and you're not. This means when you come to sign the power of attorney, your attorney isn't present and they don't need to be. We generally only witness you (the person giving the power) signed the document in our presence. Occasionally, if your attorney is with you and they also wish to sign the power of attorney in our presence, we can witness their signature - but this does not happen in the majority of requests that we receive.

Do I need to have a photograph?

Some power of attorney templates leave a space for you to attach your photograph. Sometimes you also need to sign across your photograph (ie, half on and half off). In all cases, if you're signing the power of attorney in our presence and you include your photograph (whether you sign it or not), we'll still stamp your photograph as confirmation that you're the person who signed the power of attorney in our presence.

Do I need to have a photograph of my attorney?

Your attorney is the person that you're appointing in India to act on your behalf. Some power of attorney templates leave a space for you to include your attorney's photograph as well as your own. You may also need to attest your attorney's photograph, however, we wouldn't stamp your attorney's photograph unless they're present and we're also witnessing them sign the power of attorney (in acceptance).

Do I need to have a thumbprint?

Occasionally, some clients have been asked to also include their thumbprint on the document (ie, generally this is in reference to their left thumb with black ink). We are able to accommodate this request however we aren't able to say whether your specific power of attorney for its specific purpose requires your thumbprint. If you're using a template, often the template will indicate that a thumbprint is required but if you're not sure then you should ask your lawyer in India.

(On rare occasions, we've had clients who have had to put fingerprints and thumbprints from both hands - not sure why).

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Don't let the authorities destroy your Indian licence!

What is the problem?

Here's a troubling situation that we've encountered more than once - and so it's something we want to share with you... we need to share with you BEFORE it happens to you.

If you're driving in Australia on an Indian drivers licence, or you produce your Indian drivers licence at a NSW motor registry (ie, when you are applying for a NSW licence), there's a possibility that a person 'in authority' will punch a hole in your Indian drivers licence or even cut/destroy! It happens and it's happened before.

Why is it a problem?

If someone punches a hole through your Indian drivers licence (or destroys it), it may mean that your licence is no longer valid to drive in Australia or even in India until you obtain a replacement licence from India. Is it easy to replace your licence? In some cases, the motor registry won't re-issue a licence unless you're physically present at the motor registry, so consider that this isn't going to be happening any time soon.

Essentially, no one in Australia, including the police or staff at the motor registry (except maybe the Indian Consulate/VFS with delegated authority from your motor registry in India) has the authority to destroy or cancel your Indian drivers licence. Your Indian drivers licence is valid as long as your motor registry in India says it's valid.

What does this mean for you?

Be very careful before handing your Indian drivers to someone who may be questioning your right to drive in Australia, especially if they move to potentially punch a hole in your licence or cut your licence. Stop them immediately.

Even though you can (depending on your licence - if it is a recognised international licence) continue to drive in Australia for a period of 3 months, you will eventually need to convert your Indian drivers licence to an Australian drivers licence to continue driving in Australia. If you become a resident in Australia and you pass this 3 month period OR even after you convert your Indian drivers licence to an Australian drivers licence, your Indian drivers licence would still be valid to drive in India - it shouldn't be destroyed!

What happens if my Indian drivers licence is destroyed?

If your Indian drivers licence has been damaged or destroyed, it may no longer be recognised by your motor registry in India and not valid in India (ie, you cannot drive in India). It may also mean that you have to have your Indian drives licence replaced and the process around that could be a little challenging, especially in the middle of the global pandemic. Obviously there are possible solutions to your problem if you find yourself in this situation, but the best solution is to avoid it in the first place.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

FORM I - Declaration (affidavit required for the issue of New Passport) submitted to VFS

Justice of the Peace or a Notary Public for Form I

If you're applying for a new Indian Passport from VFS, one of the documents you must provide is a declaration known as FORM I. This document must be declared, signed and witnessed by a justice of the peace or a notary public.

Using a justice of the peace is a free service - however, have you had problems in locating a justice of the peace?

If you can't find a justice of the peace, you can always use the services of a notary public. The difference between a justice of the peace for the purpose of FORM I is that while the justice of the peace is a free service, the notary public is not a free service.

If you need to apply for a new Indian Passport from VFS, you can sign FORM I in front of a notary public if you cannot find a justice of the peace.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Samruddhi Realty Limited - Liquidation and Proof of Claim by Financial Creditors

Caught out by the collapse of Samurddhi Realty Limited?

Sadly, you're not the only one. The collapse of Samurddhi Realty Limited has caught out a few of our clients as well.

Our clients have come to us to witness their signature and to certify their passport as part of their FORM D - Proof of Claim by Financial Creditors. The proof of claim must be submitted to the liquidator and time is running out. Although the deadline has been extended due to the global COVID-19 pandemic, it will soon be closing. Don't delay.

FORM D requires you to provide:

  • Your full name and identification information.
  • Your address and contact information.
  • The amount you are claiming, including interest.
  • Provide an affidavit confirming the information about the property, the sale agreement, the construction agreement, and associated information.
If you're living in Australia and sending this document to India, it needs to be notarised and you may also need to notarise a copy of your passport as well. Time is running out so don't miss out.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

We reopen on 11 May 2020

With easing restrictions and the apparent low rate of community transmission, we have decided to reopen for notary public services (including face-to-face meetings) from 11 May 2020. Please be aware that social distancing principles according to NSW Health guidelines will still apply. We have also implemented our own protocols for your health and safety as well as the health and safety of others.

Please make an appointment before visiting our office.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

Indian Drivers Licence Verification - prove that you are the one and the same person

The Indian Drivers Licence Verification (IDLV) available through VFS is necessary to convert your Indian Drivers Licence to an Australian drivers licence in New South Wales. As a leading provider of notary public services, we don't get involved with this process unless your name on your Indian Passport and your name on your Indian Drivers Licence is different.

When your name on your Indian Passport and your Indian Drivers Licence is different, it's likely that you're going to encounter problems when you apply for an Australian drivers licence. Completing all the steps of the IDLV will confirm that you're the one and the same person in both your Indian Passport and your Indian Drivers Licence and that you've had the pre-requisite driving experience in order to convert your licence without having to go through the whole driving licence process again here.

For more information, please download the IDLV Checklist from the VFS website. Have you visited the VFS website lately? If you haven't, you should because they've recently updated the information and the forms.

The most recent edition of the IDLV Checklist is available here:

https://www.vfsglobal.com/one-pager/india/australia/consular_miscellaneous/English/pdf/IDLV-Checklist.pdf




A quiet time... thanks for your patience

Due to the current restrictions, our office remains closed to the public for notary public services. We thank you for your patience and continuing support. Normal services will resume once the restrictions have been lifted.

COVID-19 and Office Closures

Due to the global COVID-19 pandemic, our office will be closed from today until further notice. 

Notary public services are not essential services and so travel restrictions apply.

We're still available to notarise documents remotely, specifically documents that do not require witnessing or personal attendance. Our team continues to work remotely and are available my telephone, email and video conference.

Please visit our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/phanglegal/) for updates as to when we will reopen.

Thank you for your understanding and patience. Stay safe.

FORM I - Issuing a new passport for children

Justice of the Peace or a Notary Public for Form I

If you're applying for a new Indian Passport from VFS for your child, one of the documents you must provide is a declaration known as FORM I. This document must be declared and signed by the child's parents in front of a justice of the peace or a notary public.

Using a justice of the peace is a free service - however, have you had problems in locating a justice of the peace?

If you can't find a justice of the peace, you can always use the services of a notary public. The difference between a justice of the peace for the purpose of FORM I is that while the justice of the peace is a free service, the notary public is not a free service.

If you need to apply for a new Indian Passport from VFS for your child, you can sign FORM I in front of a notary public if you cannot find a justice of the peace.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Notary public services in 2020

Happy New Year! We look forward to serving you again in 2020. For notary public services for documents intended for India (including documents required by VFS), please call 02 9687 8885 to make an appointment.

A free notary public in Sydney?

Where can you find a free notary public in Sydney?

For some reason - and this is not necessarily a blessing - many people seem to think that we provide free notary public services. We don't. It's simply them misunderstanding what Google or any other search engine is telling them.

Just because you search for the term "free notary public" or "notary public for free" does not guarantee that your search results will actually reflect the search terms. In many cases, despite using the keyword 'free', search engines will return searches that relate to 'fee' which means that 'free notary' can also result in 'notary fee'.

What about a justice of the peace?

If you're actually looking for free services to witness or certify documents, you're probably looking for a justice of the peace. The justice of the peace is an honorary community service role and their services are without charge (ie, free). However, the justice of the peace generally will only be recognised for documents used in Australia and not for use overseas.

If you need to sign something for use overseas or you need to certify your documents from Australia for use overseas, then you're probably going to need notary public services. This is especially important if your document must also be stamped with an apostille or authenticated by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (and/or legalised by the foreign office of the intended destination country).

What about for documents going to India?

In most cases, documents that you need to sign or certify in Australia for use in India will need to be notarised by a notary public. Occasionally, you may be able to sign them or have them certified by a justice of the peace, however that's the exception and you're going to have to check it with your lawyer in India first. Some dealings with VFS specifically require you to have your documents notarised and sometimes you also need to have those documents stamped with an apostille from DFAT. All of these things involve the services of a notary public.

Paying for notary public services

There are recommended notary fees, but notaries may charge whatever they deem is appropriate. If you have something complicated, maybe the fees will be higher compared to something that is simple. Generally, a simple request like witnessing or certifying documents will attract a fixed nominal notary fee.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

What does notarisation, notary attestation, or consularise mean?

People often ask us about having their documents 'notarised' or 'attested' by a notary public or by the Indian Consulate, but what does that even mean?

In most cases, they don't know because that's just what their lawyer in India has asked and in this article, we discuss the meanings and give you tips on what you should be asking your lawyer in India to understand the exact requirement.

Notary. Notarised. Notarisation. Notary attested.

Many people use this word as both a noun and as a verb. But the simple fact is that a notary public is a position, title or a role - but it's not a verb. The verb is notarise, which means this is something that the notary public does. For example, the notary public notarises a document. But even the term 'notarisation' can include many different things.

Here are some things that can be considered to be notarisation:
  • A notary public witnessing you sign a document.
  • A notary public certifying a copy of a document.
  • A notary public verifying the authenticity or information contained within a document.
  • A notary public providing a notary certificate confirming a certain fact.

What about attested?

Occasionally, you may also hear the word 'attest' or 'attested' - but what does this mean? The word 'attest' specifically means that it something is declared to be true or is the evidence of truth. At the heart of what a notary public does is to provide confirmation of facts, whether that's to confirm someone's identity and to witness that they are the person signing a document, or it's to confirm that a document is a certified copy of an original document. Again, the word 'attest' or 'attested' is used in many different context but alone doesn't provide certainty as to what's specifically required.

And consularise?

Is 'consularise' an actual word/verb? Many clients ask for documents to be consularised which presumably means they want it to be stamped by the consulate. In Australia, the consular services for the Indian Government has been outsourced to VFS. In many cases, before VFS will stamp your document, it will need to be notarised by a notary public and sometimes also stamped with an apostille from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT).

As both India and Australia are members of the Apostille Convention (see more here), then documents from Australia stamped with an apostille will be recognised in India. However, often despite this official position, some people in India will still want the document to be stamped by VFS before it will be accepted in India.

So what should you ask for?

As you can see, some of these terms aren't actually real words - and that makes it confusing when clients ask for help.

A good idea is to think that when you need notary public services, you need to clearly state whether it involves a person (ie, identifying someone, witnessing their signature, taking an oath or affirmation) or it involves the contents of the document and not specifically the person (ie, certifying a copy, verifying the information).

The difference between the two kinds of service will determine what steps need to happen in order to notarise or attest the documents.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Why do you need a power of attorney for India?

One of the challenges of living in Australia but buying or selling property in India is being able to sign the various legal documents necessary for the transaction to happen. Since most of the legal documents are still in paper form (ie, not electronic), it requires your signature - or perhaps someone to sign on your behalf.

Appointing someone to sign legal documents on your behalf can only really be done by a power of attorney.

If you're living in Australia and appointing someone in India by power of attorney to sign documents on your behalf, then that power of attorney must be notarised by a notary public.

Who writes the power of attorney?

In most cases, your lawyer or whoever is looking after your transaction in India should write the power of attorney for you. Sometimes it may just be a standard document or standard form, and sometimes it may be something specific to your situation or to your transaction. If you need to have a power of attorney to apply for a loan with a bank, sometimes the bank will have a standard power of attorney form that you can just download from the internet - but always make sure you know what you're signing.

Many clients download documents and forms from the internet (sometimes from different countries) and assume that they will 'work' in India - this is wrong and it's dangerous. Different countries have different legal requirements and different legal consequences. Don't assume that something you can download from the internet will work for your situation. Even a power of attorney based on the standard forms available in Australia isn't necessarily going to work or work properly for what you want to do in India. Check with your lawyer in India and if you don't have a lawyer, maybe it's about time you engage someone to assist you with your transaction. The cost of the process in Australia and the risk you face in sending an incorrect document to India isn't worth the risk.

Why does the power of attorney need to be notarised?

Documents signed in Australia but used in India generally need to be notarised. Depending on who you're sending the power of attorney to, they may also need the power of attorney to be stamped with an apostille from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) and stamped by VFS (ie, Indian Consulate stamp). Unfortunately, despite assisting clients sending documents to India for many years (nearly 20 years) everyone does it differently or they're asked for different things by their lawyer or whoever they're dealing with in India. What's common between all is having the document notarised - but after that, you'll just need to check.

What does notarisation involve?

For the power of attorney going to India, notarisation generally means you must sign the power of attorney in front of the notary public. The notary public can witness your signature and then sign/stamp your power of attorney confirming that they witnessed you sign it.

Do you need stamped paper?

Some clients who have their lawyers in India prepare the power of attorney and send it to them in paper form have their power of attorney printed on stamped paper (or bonded paper). This is like a form of pre-paid duty.

Stamped paper for isn't available in Australia so if you intend to sign a power of attorney printed on stamped paper then you'll need to arrange for it to be prepared in India and sent to you here. Alternatively, most clients print their power of attorney on standard A4 paper and have their signatures notarised on that type of paper. Duty is still payable in India but instead of pre-paid duty if your power of attorney had been printed on stamped paper, then your lawyer would need to arrange for it to be post-paid after the power of attorney arrives in India.

Does the power of attorney need to be stamped with an apostille?

Technically, as Australia and India are both member countries of the Apostille Convention (see here for more information) documents like the power of attorney sent from Australia to India, or any other member country, should be stamped with an apostille in order to be recognised.

Practically, the majority of power of attorney that we've notarised over the years have been used in India without an apostille. If you're not sure, please check with your lawyer in India.

What next?

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

Do you always need a notary public? What about a justice of the peace?

Why notarised?

In most cases, if you're sending documents back to India - you're going to need to have your documents notarised. The concept of having documents notarised is central to many transactions in countries all over the world, especially if you're transacting across different country borders.

Technically, for documents originating in Australia (ie, signed in Australia or Australian government documents), India should only accept them if they're stamped with an apostille issued by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT). DFAT will only stamp a document with an apostille if it's an original Australian government document or if the document has been notarised by a notary public in Australia.

What's an apostille?

An apostille is a stamp issued according to the Apostille Convention (see more here) and recognised by member countries - such as Australia and India. Simply put this means if your document is stamped with an apostille on behalf of the Australian government, then government offices in India should recognise it as being a valid document. This is the formal approach and as stated, technically the correct process and procedure that all documents from Australia to India should follow.

Why only technically?

In practice, not everything strictly follows the technical requirements. Maybe whoever you're dealing with in India isn't familiar with the technical requirements or they have/follow their own requirements. For example, some people are asked to obtain the 'Indian Consulate' stamp which is only available from VFS (on behalf of the Government of India) and this may also involve obtaining an apostille as well. However, the majority of clients that we assist only need to have their documents notarised and stamped by a notary public.

What about a justice of the peace?

A justice of the peace is not a notary public. While signing or certifying documents in front of a justice of the peace in Australia can be used in Australia, it wouldn't be commonly accepted overseas in other countries - including India. Generally, the minimum requirement (aside from the apostille or 'Indian Consulate' stamp) for documents from Australia going to India would be to have them notarised. Some forms and documents can be stamped by a justice of the peace if you are submitting them to VFS, but if you're sending your document directly to India then consider having them stamped by a notary public.

If your document needs to be stamped with an apostille, DFAT won't recognise a stamp or signature of a justice of the peace - it has to be an original Australian government document or a document that's been notarised by a notary public.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

IDLV helps - but how?

So why do you need to verify your Indian drivers licence?

If you're looking to convert your Indian drivers licence to an Australian drivers licence, one of the common problems faced by many Indians is when their name in the Indian drivers licence and their Indian passport is different.

In Australia, the primary form of identification (aside from a drivers licence) would be a passport and so if the name on the passport is different from the licence, there's an issue - it potentially means the passport and the licence belong to different people unless there's proof that they're actually the one and the same person.

For Indians who obtain their drivers licence as teenagers, and the name appearing on the licence is based on their Year 10 marksheet, sometimes this name is different from their legal/formal name that eventually appears on their passport. This could be due to many reasons, like nicknames, short names, common names, family names or just the way their name was registered when they started school.

Whatever the reason, the difference between the name on a drivers licence and the name on the passport will cause a problem when it comes to proving that the licence and passport belong to the same person.

If your name on your licence and your passport is different, you won't be able to show that you have a licence (in your name) or that you have driving history. This means if you apply for a licence in Australia, you'll start from the start again - meaning you'll be a learner licence holder (with the licence in the name that appears in your passport) and then must complete the various levels of assessment and criteria to eventually unlock your full and unrestricted licence.

If you don't want to start again, as most people don't, and you want to have your driving history (even under your Indian drivers licence) recognised in Australia, then one of the options to prove that you're the one and the same person is to engage a notary public. That's how we can help you. Check out this and our other websites to preview some of our services relating to the Indian Drivers Licence Verification.

To obtain a quote on our notary public services for India, please visit https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/notary-fees/.

Get quote to notarise Indian documents

Acknowledgements

This blog is supported and maintained by Phang Legal. Phang Legal is a leading provider of notary public services in Sydney. With offices conveniently located in Parramatta, Phang Legal supports and services the Indian community across Sydney with readily available and easily accessible notary public services at highly competitive rates.

For more information regarding notary public services for documents going to India, view our notary publications at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/jurisdiction/india-notary/.

Frequently asked questions regarding our notary public services can also be found at https://www.notary-parramatta.com.au/faqs/.

For Hindi to English translation services by NAATI accredited translators, see https://hindi-naati-translation.blogspot.com.au/.

Ern Phang
Notary Public

Ern Phang is the solicitor director of Phang Legal and a notary public. Ern regularly writes about his experiences as a notary public, including the kinds of problems and solutions that his clients face when sending documents to India.

IMPORTANT: the information in this article is correct at the time of publication, however the law constantly changes. This means you should always refer to the most recent articles because we try to update this blog on a regular basis with the most current information.

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